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主题: 血奥师(奥能师)可以使用混血魔宠么?
作者: 于 2017-07-22, 周六 23:42:57

那些与魔法有着内在联系的人有时会通过某种类似本能的魔法共鸣而吸引其他生物。在1级时，术士（sorcerer）、血脉狂怒者（bloodrager）或者任何其他具有后述血统（bloodlines）之一的角色，可以选择获得混血魔宠（bloodline familiar）。角色会获得魔宠（如同法师的魔宠一般），在判断该能力的效果时，将她的职业等级作为她的法师等级。这些魔宠根据主人的血统而具有后述额外能力。
这会取代角色血统所赋予的1级血统力量（bloodline power）；此外，角色从血统中获得奖励法术的速度要比正常晚1级。例如：选择混血魔宠的异怪血统（aberrant bloodline）术士不会获得酸性射线（Acidic Ray），而且她会在4级得到第一个血统奖励法术，在6级获得第二个奖励法术，以此类推。

Those with an inherent connection to magic often attract
creatures who feel a similar instinctive pull toward
magical forces. At 1st level, a sorcerer, bloodrager, or any
other character with one of the following bloodlines can
choose to gain a bloodline familiar. The character gains
a familiar (as a wizard’s familiar), treating her class level
as her wizard level for the purposes of this ability. This
familiar has an additional ability listed below based on
the master’s bloodline.
This replaces the 1st-level bloodline power granted by
the character’s bloodline; in addition, the character gains
bonus spells from her bloodline one level later than she
normally would. For example, a sorcerer with the aberrant
bloodline who takes a bloodline familiar would not gain
the acidic ray bloodline power, and she would gain her
first bonus spell at 4th level, her second bonus spell at 6th
level, and so on.

若奥师不会获得此血统的职业技能、奖励专长或奖励法术。那么没了奖励法术的血脈能用混血魔宠么?

主题: Re: 血奥师(奥能师)可以使用混血魔宠么?
作者: TougouTuyosi 于 2017-07-23, 周日 00:11:00

引述: 犬良人 于 2017-07-22, 周六 23:42:57

那些与魔法有着内在联系的人有时会通过某种类似本能的魔法共鸣而吸引其他生物。在1级时，术士（sorcerer）、血脉狂怒者（bloodrager）或者任何其他具有后述血统（bloodlines）之一的角色，可以选择获得混血魔宠（bloodline familiar）。角色会获得魔宠（如同法师的魔宠一般），在判断该能力的效果时，将她的职业等级作为她的法师等级。这些魔宠根据主人的血统而具有后述额外能力。
这会取代角色血统所赋予的1级血统力量（bloodline power）；此外，角色从血统中获得奖励法术的速度要比正常晚1级。例如：选择混血魔宠的异怪血统（aberrant bloodline）术士不会获得酸性射线（Acidic Ray），而且她会在4级得到第一个血统奖励法术，在6级获得第二个奖励法术，以此类推。

Those with an inherent connection to magic often attract
creatures who feel a similar instinctive pull toward
magical forces. At 1st level, a sorcerer, bloodrager, or any
other character with one of the following bloodlines can
choose to gain a bloodline familiar. The character gains
a familiar (as a wizard’s familiar), treating her class level
as her wizard level for the purposes of this ability. This
familiar has an additional ability listed below based on
the master’s bloodline.
This replaces the 1st-level bloodline power granted by
the character’s bloodline; in addition, the character gains
bonus spells from her bloodline one level later than she
normally would. For example, a sorcerer with the aberrant
bloodline who takes a bloodline familiar would not gain
the acidic ray bloodline power, and she would gain her
first bonus spell at 4th level, her second bonus spell at 6th
level, and so on.

若奥师不会获得此血统的职业技能、奖励专长或奖励法术。那么没了奖励法术的血脈能用混血魔宠么?

依照变体替换的精神，由于混血魔宠调整了奖励法术，所以没有奖励法术，或者调整了奖励法术的血蛮术士变体很可能无法拿到混血魔宠

 :em013 这是个人观点，没有查阅FAQ。

主题: Re: 血奥师(奥能师)可以使用混血魔宠么?
作者: 白貓 于 2017-07-23, 周日 00:43:41

引用

Archetype Stacking and Altering: What exactly counts as altering a class feature for the purpose of stacking archetypes?

In general, if a class feature grants multiple subfeatures, it's OK to take two archetypes that only change two separate subfeatures. This includes two bard archetypes that alter or replace different bardic performances (even though bardic performance is technically a single class feature) or two fighter archetypes that replace the weapon training gained at different levels (sometimes referred to as 「weapon training I, II, III, or IV」) even though those all fall under the class feature weapon training. However, if something alters the way the parent class feature works, such as a mime archetype that makes all bardic performances completely silent, with only visual components instead of auditory, you can't take that archetype with an archetype that alters or replaces any of the sub-features. This even applies for something as small as adding 1 extra round of bardic performance each day, adding an additional bonus feat to the list of bonus feats you can select, or adding an additional class skill to the class. As always, individual GMs should feel free to houserule to allow small overlaps on a case by case basis, but the underlying rule exists due to the unpredictability of combining these changes.

照這faq應該是不行吧，其實照faq的話，變體取代或調整的定義非常嚴格，只要有動到一點點都算是調整，就算只是增加本職技能,獎勵專長選項等等，所以PFS就GG惹，PF的話，可以照最後的建議，和GM協商用HR的方式。

主题: Re: 血奥师(奥能师)可以使用混血魔宠么?
作者: snowknight 于 2017-08-07, 周一 00:39:15

听说是不行。此外狂野、次级血统也不能选。